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jamesnimmo
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« on: March 30, 2008, 03:16:36 PM »




Rep. Sally Kern Slaps P-FLAG's Other Cheek

 Kern Insists P-FLAG is Lying and Dissembling

Too Close to Home?




(OKLAHOMA CITY) After Rep. Sally Kern met with three community leaders, one of whom is the president of the Oklahoma City P-FLAG chapter, in her Oklahoma City capital office on Thursday, March 27, P-FLAG issued the following statement---

P-FLAG blog:
http://www.pflag.org/blog/?p=165

However, Rep. Kern says P-FLAG used the meeting to put words in her mouth which she did not say.  You can read her rebuttal statement here:

http://americansfortruth.com/news/sally-kern-rejects-pflag-account-of-meeting.html  or http://tinyurl.com/ypfc73

I believe the meeting was recorded and that whatever was said by either party can be verified.  This additional recording should be very valuable in the near future.

As I've said before when dealing with rabid religious fundamentalists it is not possible to expect them to behave in the way they are usually treated by our progressive friends, that is with civility and respect and the expectation the fundies will honor the words they have said.  Since they act figuratively rabid, so should they be handled with figurative very thick gloves and a large physical distance between you and them.

I am acquainted with the three people with whom Rep Kern met, all of them of the progressive, religious mode of thinking and action, and I have no doubt of their honesty and integrity.

For Rep. Kern to state clearly and unequivocally that she was "used" in her discussion with them is nearly tantamount to the original outrageous speech she made that was recorded on Youtube.   You can hear the complete audio from which the Youtube post was made of her speech and the transcript here: http://www.equalrightsproject.com/ 
This example of double-speak shows that Rep. Kern and her Konservative Korps of followers, that now includes the Thomas Moore Law Center www.thomasmore.org, and the American Family Association, www.afa.net, are not to be trusted.

Just as with Fred Phelps and his "God Hates Fags" project, the second move Kern has made after gaining your attention with blood-curdling words is to then claim any criticism of Kern makes her a victim, violating her First Amendment freedoms, and the criticizer is the perpetrator of suppression.

Kern does not know what responsibility means, she does not know the difference between free speech and irresponsible speech. 

With the information here http://tinyurl.com/yqe8kk you can let Rep. Kern know who you think is telling the truth, she or P-FLAG.

Here is a link to another story in the Oklahoman newspaper in Oklahoma City:  http://newsok.com/article/3222587/1206766864
with more explanation from Loyce Newton-Edwards, the OKC P-FLAG president.


In my opinion the P-FLAG members are acting honorably so I have to wonder why Rep. Kern would now be adverse to any further meetings with the Oklahoma City chapter of P-FLAG.

P-FLAG is as non-partisan as a gay/lesbian support group can get since it's a 501(c)3 tax-deductible organization.

Having talked face-to-face with gay-friendly advocates does Kern feel that further contact with Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays is raising too much heat in her own kitchen for comfort? 

James Nimmo
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 03:46:58 PM »

Moderator's note:  The following post is from another gay-equality list.


My response to PFLAG.
 
Again I find myself dissapointed with the "diplomatic at any cost" response of a national Gay/Lesbian organization to such a public issue. As you can see clearly from the public and concrete press release,  released in the light of your meeting with Mrs. Kern by Mrs. Kern, she has branded your account of the meeting a total fabrication. That you are liars.
 
Mrs. Kern's statements in the YouTube account and full disclosure transcript of her speech that started this mess to begin with was in no way "unclear" or misconstrued. You have allowed her to use PFLAG as one more ballbat to strike at the Gay and Lesbian community by making you seem "lairs", "easily misled, naive and a rediculous soft touch.
 
When will organizations like yours learn? Attempting to handle a proven maneating tiger with kid gloves does not protect your throat and is not enough protection to warrant the belief you acted with good judgement in your attempt to stand toe to toe with said predator. Your attempt to "Soften" public view of Mrs. Kern by claiming (true or false?) that she presented statements that clarify her views in a softer light and make her "not the hatemonger she appeared"  has backfired in your faces as all attempts to do so with her kind always will.
 
I hope finally this has taught you even the smallest lesson in regards to dealing with such animals in the future.
 
Russ
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